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Superfan312

03-02-2009, 10:52 PM

Anyone else going to brave the cold and watch this game?

Beav89

03-03-2009, 12:16 AM

Anyone else going to brave the cold and watch this game?

Not me. Since I live in Oregon, I'm going to my local small library to use their broadband to listen to the game on WISU (nice and toasty warm in there). What's the forecast for tomorrow in TH?

And for all of you "Dallas" fans, if you want Patrick Duffy's autograph, let me know. He'll be reading "Green Eggs and Ham" at the library tomorrow in honor of Dr. Seuss' birthday--no joke! I'm just glad that the game is on at noon my time and he won't be reading until 4pm. Hard to hear the broadcast over the kiddie crowd...

BlueSycamore

03-03-2009, 08:13 AM

It will be cool during gametime:

http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/USIN0660?begHour=13&begDay=62

GO SYCAMORES!

btisu22

03-03-2009, 11:26 AM

Man did that forcast change a bit since yesterday....it said at 5:30 yesterday that it was suppose to be in the 50's today, and then last night it changed!!!!! I did hear that it may get to 40 though.:meditate:

SydCamore

03-03-2009, 01:24 PM

It is not quite 40 now.

I'm heading to the game.

Trust me, this game will not be short of offense. There will be plenty of runs being put on the scoreboard.

My prediction:

ISU will win 32-27

Beav89

03-03-2009, 01:57 PM

My prediction:

ISU will win 32-27

LOL! Ouch! Not a good day to be a pitcher if you're even half right. Let's see if the baseball team can put more points on the board than the football team, though.

:sycamores::sycamores:

btisu22

03-03-2009, 02:21 PM

I just got back to the office and my truck read 33 degrees!!! I'm certian it won't hit 40 today....not even close.

btisu22

03-03-2009, 04:26 PM

Just thought I would post this....top of 4th 8-2 Sycamores!!! As I get ready to head for home from work....I would love to make it out to the field, but I have kids to pick up.

IU does have the bases loaded and Syc's are making a pitching change....I had a phone call so I'm not sure on how many outs.

Grbac gets a strike out on the first hitter....2 outs....

IndyTreeFan

03-03-2009, 04:29 PM

Sweeeeeet!!!!

btisu22

03-03-2009, 04:33 PM

Grbac punches out both batters on K's!!!! 3 1/2 and Syc's up 8-2!!!

SkinnyLu

03-03-2009, 05:41 PM

Top of the 8th inning - Sycamores are winning 11 to 2. Yeah :baseball:

Beav89

03-03-2009, 05:47 PM

Gotta tip my hat to the Sycamore pitching and defense today. They've done a spectacular job controlling the hot bats of Sabourin and Phegley. IU's pitching is really struggling--sure makes me happy to be on the Sycamore side of this game!

TJames

03-03-2009, 06:24 PM

reminds me of the good ole days when we used to whack the hoosiers pretty good. the "house of shock" is coming back again. lol

SkinnyLu

03-03-2009, 06:24 PM

Whew! I was really stressing about this game today. Cordell did well the first two innings and then started to struggle in the third. The experience and support of the team allowed him to work out of the pickle in the 3rd. So cool to have such terrific support as a pitcher!!

Then in the 4th Coach Meggs did the absolute right thing for a Freshman starter - Pulled him! Bases loaded with 1 out.....in 28 degree weather....I was sweating up a storm! Grubach saved the day. He was a dominant force today. Something like 8 SO in just 5 innings.

AND - the hitting today. 11 runs on 15 hits. Unbelievable.

9-1, priceless~!:sycamores:

SkinnyLu

03-03-2009, 09:02 PM

Hi Guys, Can someone tell me how Cordell got credited with the win? I guess College rules are different than what I'm used to so I am hoping someone can explain this to me.

:imslow:

Beav89

03-04-2009, 02:57 AM

Yeah, I noticed that the Sycamores stats gave the win to Cordell, but the Hoosiers site and the TribStar article attributed the win to Gurbach. I personally thought it was going to Gurbach.

SydCamore

03-04-2009, 07:09 AM

Gurbach should get the W(at least according to the way that the MLB awards Ws) for a remarkably well pitched game. Whew! He came in with bases loaded and 1 out and got out of it. That was the key to the victory. He through 5.2, 0 runs, 3 hits, 8 strikeouts. With a long weekend coming up, that was really helpful.

I thought that Cordell pitched well. Freshman, 30 degreees, the best offensive team in the big ten, and a first-team all-american. A lot of elements would have lead me to believe that Cordell would have struggled today............ WRONG! Good game for him as he continues to impress. I was talking to a former ISU pitcher that was pretty impressed with Cordell.

Syc's absolutely killed the ball. IU made some errors at bad times (not that there is a good time to make an error). To ISU's credit, we capitalized on every opportunity.

Overall great game. Way to go Sycs and Good Luck at Austin Peay!

BankShot

03-04-2009, 09:00 AM

I don't see how the ISU starting pitcher could be awarded the win, since he was taken out BEFORE 5 complete innings...

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/Stats_Manuals/Baseball/baseball_softball_scorebook.pdf

SydCamore

03-04-2009, 09:24 AM

Simply a misprint. Gurbach got the W.

Good outing for Cordell though.

Beav89

03-04-2009, 12:43 PM

Thanks for the validation that we're not going crazy on the win-loss rule. I thought the five inning requirement was pretty hard and fast for starters...

Regardless of my family relationship with Cordell (and I was proud of the job he did yesterday), I really thought Gurbach had an outstanding game and deserved the W.

Now on to Austin Peay and another Sycamore victory!

SydCamore

03-04-2009, 01:21 PM

Today through Sunday is key..... We will see what type of team we really are. Kentucky is ranked and Austin Peay is better than their record.

I think that 3-1 would be remarkable and 2-2 we be very good. Go Sycamores!

BlueSycamore

03-04-2009, 01:33 PM

TJames

03-04-2009, 03:25 PM

at least a form of it was when i was the baseball SID at Indiana State way back in the late 1990s. The official scorer had the discretion to award the win to either the starter (if he had pitched three innings) or the next pitcher (if he was deemed to have been effective).

SkinnyLu

03-04-2009, 03:52 PM

Winning Pitcher:

There is a new NCAA Rule that a pitcher can get the win for throwing less than five innings when it is a mid-week game because they are on a pitch count. So the official scorer was correct when he gave Greene the win based on this new rule.

Copied from a post on the other board...... www.members.boardhost.com/isuhoopforum (http://www.members.boardhost.com/isuhoopforum)

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Thanks Blue for the explaination. I know Cordell didn't want the WIN to be credited to him this way. Grubach was a dominant force yesterday and it appeared to us that he should have gotten the win.

Cordell has lots of time to develop and dominate when he is a sophmore and junior, thus getting wins he is proud of. Talking with him last night he wasn't too proud of his outing. (I like that he never settles). :bigsmile:

SydCamore

03-04-2009, 04:06 PM

Encouraging!

Interesting rule! College baseball is strange.

SycEm

03-04-2009, 04:14 PM

If that rule exists, it isn't listed in the actual 2009
NCAA Baseball Rule Book (http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Baseball_Rules_Bookd3de81d6-3cc9-4da4-a3ac-8ec821d37c91.pdf)
Rule 10 is Scoring. Section 25 is on Winning and Losing Pitchers - found on pages 126-127:

Winning and Losing Pitchers
SECTION 25. a. For all games of eight or more innings, a starting pitcher must pitch at least five complete innings to receive credit as the winning pitcher. For all games of fewer than eight innings, the starting pitcher must pitch at least four innings to get credit for the win. Additionally, the winning pitcher’s team must be in the lead when he is replaced and must remain in the lead for the rest of the game.
b. If the starting pitcher does not pitch enough innings, the win is credited to a relief pitcher in the following manner:
(1) The winning relief pitcher shall be the one who is the pitcher of record when his team goes ahead and remains ahead throughout the remainder of the game. No pitcher may receive credit for a victory
if the opposing team ties the score or goes ahead after he has left the game.
Note: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the winning and losing pitchers are concerned. Exception—If a relief pitcher conforms to the above regulations but pitches
briefly and ineffectively, the scorer should not credit him with a win. If a succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively and helps maintain the lead, the scorer should award the win to that succeeding pitcher.
(2) By pre-arrangement, if three or more pitchers are to be used, the pitcher of record shall be considered the winning pitcher.
c. When a batter or runner is substituted for a pitcher, all runs scored by his team during that inning are to his credit in determining the pitcher of record.
d. The starting pitcher shall be charged with the loss if he is replaced at any time while his team is behind and remains behind for the remainder of the game. Similarly, any relief pitcher who is the pitcher of record when the opposing team assumes the lead and never relinquishes it is charged
with the loss.
Note: The pitcher of record shall be the one who is in the game at the time the winning team gains the lead, provided that the lead never is relinquished, or the one who is charged with the runs by which the opposing team takes the lead, provided that the lead never is relinquished.
e. To receive credit for a shutout, the pitcher must pitch the entire game or enter the game with no outs in the first inning and pitch the rest of the game without any runs scoring.

BankShot

03-04-2009, 05:11 PM

I agree Syc'em...to give official scorekeepers such discretion would violate the NCAA Rules. Until someone shows me that this pitching rule has been AMENDED, the relief pitcher v. IU is by rule, the winning pitcher. :krazy:

Beav89

03-08-2009, 03:35 PM

Hey all!

Controversy averted. ISU updated the stats this last week to attribute the win to Gurbach instead. It was the right thing to do.

SkinnyLu

03-08-2009, 08:14 PM

Hey all!

Controversy averted. ISU updated the stats this last week to attribute the win to Gurbach instead. It was the right thing to do.

Thanks for the update Beav89! Cordell agrees with the correction and is glad Gurbach got the credit he was due.