'11 IN QB Trent Lancaster (Indiana State Verbal)

[Sycalum82]

I went to see Trent Lancaster of Northview the other night and he is the BEST QB I have seen in this area in sometime. He averaged 26 yards PER COMPLETION and had the best accuracy of any QB I have seen at ANY level for sometime in the pocket or on the run. Has ISU made a formal offer yet?

[TH_Sycamore12]

It would be good for ISU to land Lancaster. He would fit in nicely with the other crop of local talent Coach Miles has brought in. My only concern, however, would be that there are already a lot of QB's on the roster.

[bent20]

It would be good for ISU to land Lancaster. He would fit in nicely with the other crop of local talent Coach Miles has brought in. My only concern, however, would be that there are already a lot of QB's on the roster.

I don't know much about Lancaster, but you can never have too many. Don't forget our transfers are already juniors, so we'll need their eventual replacements on the roster by next season at the latest unless we're going to continue to go the transfer route, which I hope we don't. I know we already have some capable players being groomed for the job, but we need to be sure we have a solid replacement.

[SycamoreBlue3209]

It sure would be nice to land Lancaster. For the next to years we have Fouch and Glass and then next season O'Leary would be a redshirt freshman, with Lancaster as an incoming freshman. I think that would be a pretty nice quarterback situation for next few years or so!

[StateAlum]

Lancaster was 16-21, 380yds, 5-TD 0-INT

Pretty good start to the Season.

Brazil folks.... Is he better than Brock Miller? I remember seeing Brock play at Northview vs. South, and again in the WV AllStar Game., but he had little to no career at ISU (moved to WR)

[jlandrus23]

I have talked to Trent, and he told me that his coach and his family didn't want him to go to Indiana State.

[True Blue]

The knock on Lancaster in the past is that he wasn't a very good passer. I just don't see him as a college quarterback. If Matt King is playing WR, then Lancaster will as well.

[bent20]

I have talked to Trent, and he told me that his coach and his family didn't want him to go to Indiana State.

Not that it matters much, but your response begs the question - why?

[TJames]

for starters...at least they always have been....and, no. 2, the people there probably weren't happy that the quarterback they sent to isu before...never panned out and eventually transferred to marian college.......

they like isu for baseball...all the guys from northview who went to play for the sycamores...like chad mcdonald, jeff buell, john howes, andy lumsdon...

and hoops..we all remember kenny rowan and ernie maesch.......

but maybe they got their nose bent out of joint when the other quarterback didnt work out.....

[True Blue]

Northview has a tendency to overrate their teams and players as well.

[jlandrus23]

Like Logan Whitman?

[True Blue]

Like Logan Whitman?

I actually thought he had a chance to be a good layer for us, but injury cut short his career.

[Bally #45]

Like Kenny Rowan. Now THERE was a player.

[TH_Sycamore12]

[QUOTE=TJames;56172]for starters...at least they always have been....and, no. 2, the people there probably weren't happy that the quarterback they sent to isu before...never panned out and eventually transferred to marian college.......
QUOTE]

That's not ISU's fault. :eek7: Oh well.

It's amazing NV thinks so highly of themselves because they haven't had little to no success in the post season....
http://pastfb.homestead.com/past209.htm

[bent20]

Did Lancaster play in their 50-0 sectional loss last year?

[TJames]

but high school coaches sometimes blame the wrong people when one of their former players dont fare well at their college of choice......

[4Q_iu]

for starters...at least they always have been....and, no. 2, the people there probably weren't happy that the quarterback they sent to isu before...never panned out and eventually transferred to marian college.......

and hoops..we all remember kenny rowan and ernie maesch.......

but maybe they got their nose bent out of joint when the other quarterback didnt work out.....

Soooo, it's the University's fault when a player doesn't pan out?
Granted, at times it may be but maybe the kid doesn't have the game to play his/her HS position in college (the same is true of college to the pros too...)

I remember Rowan destroyed his knee; not sure how you hold an injury against a university...

As to 'being high on iu...' you've captured 85% of the high schools in the state!

[Sycamore]

Northview has a tendency to overrate their teams and players as well.
Very true. Northview's coach is always talking about how great his players are and his teams. He made some controversial comments about Jasper before they played, and Jasper took them to the wood shed. I also believe that Northview's coach was quoted before saying that Broc Miller was the best high school quarterback in the midwest.

[Ong Hop]

Whitman and Miller's problems were not ISU's fault. Their problems were head & family. No details are necessary. Both had talent that could have benefitted ISU in their respective sports. It's a shame it didn't work out for both the individuals and ISU. Both individuals now realize they lost a great opportunity.

[BigBlue79]

I think O'leary is better than both of them...but they are both Good...just my opinion...Seliger was better than both of them too...Northview had a kid named John Evinger 6'6 about 315...I wanted him to go to state but don't know what happened...I'll have to go watch lancaster play because he may have gotten better than he was....

[DyedBlue]

This might be a radical thought but perhaps counselors in Northview, and other schools, actually consider the kid's academic background and interests and his/her long term career rather than a sport when recommending a college/university???

Both of Lancaster's parents are teachers who have a variety of friends and acquaintances from beyond the ISU sphere so why should it be unusual that he would be interested in attending somewhere a little more exotic.

My nephew just left for Yale. Both of his parents are IU grads but they did not have a problem with him going there. Perhaps it is not so much being upset with ISU as it is a consideration of options.

[Bally #45]

Why don't we just let this play out on it's own instead of all this conjecture. There are good players from Northview and some that aren't so good. Generalities about kids being underrated or overrated has no bearing on Trent and his college choice. If we recruit him, then we can talk. Dragging up all this crap about Northview seems awfully petty to me. All I know is that Kenny Rowan was a super recruit from Northview for ISU hoops and he was one of my all-time favorites in his day before his career got cut short by injury.

[BigBlue79]

Agreed bally...just interesting to know if he is considering wearing the o'l blue..plus I do want to know how surrounding areas see ISU besides terre haute...I wonder if they consider it a privilege or do they have a negative viewpoint on being a sycamore..

[Ong Hop]

Joey Evinger, 6'5" 345#, second fastest kid on the Northview FB team was told by Coach West he could try to make the team as a walk-on. Joey went to College of the Canyons,a JC in California. Became an All-American. Was recruited by many Big 10, PAC 10, SEC schools plus everyone else. He wanted to play close to home. ISU tried but..."you didn't want me when I wanted to come there". Joey rightly or wrongly returned the snub and choose Louisville. He played @ Louisville last year. About 3 weeks ago, he underwent back surgery... a 2nd emergency surgery and is now home in re-hab.

[BigBlue79]

Wow...Trent does a real good job of getting kids like that to stay...

[TH_Sycamore12]

Lancaster was 11-20 for 167 yards, 2 TD passes and 0 INT's in Friday's 36-25 win over Edgewood.

http://www.thebraziltimes.com/story/1660190.html

[SydCamore]

for starters...at least they always have been....and, no. 2, the people there probably weren't happy that the quarterback they sent to isu before...never panned out and eventually transferred to marian college.......

they like isu for baseball...all the guys from northview who went to play for the sycamores...like chad mcdonald, jeff buell, john howes, andy lumsdon...

and hoops..we all remember kenny rowan and ernie maesch.......

but maybe they got their nose bent out of joint when the other quarterback didnt work out.....


A couple of things............

I don't think he is good enough to play Division I.........

Who gives a rats ass what people in Brazil think about anything???? They like to act like they are a small school and their not. They always have winning seasons and then get their asses kicked in the post season. What has anybody from Brazil ever done recently??? Besides Brady Shoemaker.

They don't ever produce football players, because they aren't very good. They can beat Brown County and Owen Valley, but so can Fulton County Middle School in Indianapolis.

I'm not a big proponent of going after a bunch of local talent. What has any high school football program around here every done??

There are a handfull of high school players in the area over the last few years that are good enough to play Division I, that's it....

Give me kids from Indianapolis, Cincy, Chicago, St Louis, Louisville, Northern Indiana, Detroit......

Just my thoughts.

[jlandrus23]

Have you ever even seen Lancaster play?

[Jason Svoboda]

Have you ever even seen Lancaster play?
I think Syd knows a thing or two about football.

[True Blue]

A couple of things............

I don't think he is good enough to play Division I.........

Who gives a rats ass what people in Brazil think about anything???? They like to act like they are a small school and their not. They always have winning seasons and then get their asses kicked in the post season. What has anybody from Brazil ever done recently??? Besides Brady Shoemaker.

They don't ever produce football players, because they aren't very good. They can beat Brown County and Owen Valley, but so can Fulton County Middle School in Indianapolis.

I'm not a big proponent of going after a bunch of local talent. What has any high school football program around here every done??

There are a handfull of high school players in the area over the last few years that are good enough to play Division I, that's it....

Give me kids from Indianapolis, Cincy, Chicago, St Louis, Louisville, Northern Indiana, Detroit......

Just my thoughts.

You hit the nail on the head here. Its easy to put up numbers against Edgewood. It's not like he's playing Warren Central or Carmel. I think Miles is doing a good job getting players from some big Indianapolis schools. The Terre Haute schools usually put out 1-2 players per year that can play 1-AA. Now THN has a real good sophomore class and their are a couple that may play D-1. Blank, Grady, Davis. Sidney Moore might turn out to be a vigtime D-1 recruit.

[Sycalum82]

I guess he is not on their radar but maybe he will be as the season plays out. There seems to be alot of resentment towards Northview by the Hautians. Good luck Sycamores and I do agree the Indy market is big but don't discount everyone because they are local.

[football fan]

Northview plays Terre Haute North on Friday @Terre Haute North. That would be a good time to come out and watch Lancaster and other members of both of these teams. They play each other hard so it should be a good game.

[TJames]

i always say keep the best home talent at indiana state...in all sports....i am in favor of the inside-out recruiting philosophy.....now, saying that, not every athlete in the area is good enough to play at this level.....so you recruit the best of the best from the area.....and then move out to the rest of the state, the midwest region and other areas around ther country where you have recruiting ties......

[jlandrus23]

I'm going to the North-Northview game on Friday. Is anybody else going?

[True Blue]

I'm going to the North-Northview game on Friday. Is anybody else going?

I will be there. Going to be a tough game for North. They have more talent but coming off a tough rivalry game and they got beat up pretty good in that one.

[jlandrus23]

Trent is on ISU's radar. I just talked to Trent, and he says he has visited Coach Miles, and he persuaded Trent to come to ISU, but he has yet to make a decision. He says that Coach Miles, told him, that he was a better QB than O'Leary. So, maybe he will end up at ISU.

[Dgreenwell3]

Trent is on ISU's radar. I just talked to Trent, and he says he has visited Coach Miles, and he persuaded Trent to come to ISU, but he has yet to make a decision. He says that Coach Miles, told him, that he was a better QB than O'Leary. So, maybe he will end up at ISU.

??????:eek7:

[SycamoreBlue3209]

I don't really believe he told him that he is better than O'Leary.

[Dgreenwell3]

That's possibly the largest recruiting ploy I have ever heard if so....

[sycamoreblu]

i think miles is a class act..so i doubt that... and trent is a class act kid from what i hear.. he from what i hear will feel blessed if he gets the oppurtunity to become a sycamore.. he is a great competetor... comes from a great family.. should be interesting how it pans out

[jlandrus23]

OK, so I talked to Trent this morning again, and he told me that he was joking about the O'Leary thing, but he is very interested in playing for the Sycamores. He really wants to stay home and play football. I hope Coach Miles can pull him in for next year.

[Dgreenwell3]

Landrus, you talked to him at 530 am????????

[4Q_iu]

Landrus, you talked to him at 530 am????????

You would DOUBT the word of an American teenager?! :D

[SycamoreBlue3209]

Maybe the words were just a little twisted... Lol.

[BigBlue79]

I'll be going to watch lancaster play...if he is good enough then I def want him to be a sycamore...if he isn't then best of luck to him...People around terre haute think ISU plays a bunch of loser teams just cause they aren't purdue and Notre dame...so when they see a kid who is good around here they assume he can be great at ISU...we all know that isn't true...Miles knows what he is doing...I hate to see a QB move to WR though in my own personal opinion...now you have an average speed wr who has trouble blocking...so you have to have an eye for talent at QB or it will cost you a precious roster spot...seliger was very good in highschool...

As far as the game friday night...north will not be in for a long one...if northview wins it will be a good game...you can't judge off of the bell game...north played horribly and pulled it out...but northview handed it to south in the scrimmage...North will be fine because northview has trouble with daniel gabbard...But it will be a good game...

[jlandrus23]

Who said it was at 5:30 this morning?

[Dgreenwell3]

You said this Morning landrus lol and the time was 530

[jlandrus23]

Here it was 7:15 this morning. You must be on a different timezone than me.

[SycamoreBlue3209]

I'm happy you got up so early to work on our recruits! Haha just messing with ya!

[True Blue]

North pounds Norrhview 40-14. We can put to rest Lancaster being a 1AA quarterback. He was intercepted 3 times. Gabbard had 20+ carries for 220 or so yards.

[BigBlue79]

He was picked because his ball hangs in the air way too long...he is accurate when he isn't being rushed...but i saw a couple overthrows and that happens to all of them...but I think him and holler are pretty comparable...lancaster has some work to do if he wants to play QB as a sycamore...

[True Blue]

He was picked because his ball hangs in the air way too long...he is accurate when he isn't being rushed...but i saw a couple overthrows and that happens to all of them...but I think him and holler are pretty comparable...lancaster has some work to do if he wants to play QB as a sycamore...

Agreed. If North rattles him, what would SIU or UNI do?

[BigBlue79]

Yeah...and I am not talking bad about him..I think he is a good football player..But he will have trouble at ISU at the QB spot..

[jlandrus23]

I don't think he will have a problem playing QB at ISU. If you watched last night, everytime he threw an INT, he was pressured, and threw the ball downfield. His offensive line was terrible, they couldn't block LB's or DL. Almost on every play, someone from North was in the backfield. Gabbard had quite a few nice runs last night. He could be a real good player for ISU also. I also liked the looks of Sydney Moore. Calvin Blank did not play last night due to an injury.

[BigBlue79]

He did not have a lot of protection...And I'm not saying that he is not a good football player by any means...I just think that the deep throws that he made were in the air a long time...I don't think he has the arm...Yet anyway...if he goes to ISU...he will have a lot of developing to do..

[Sycamore Proud]

He did not have a lot of protection...And I'm not saying that he is not a good football player by any means...I just think that the deep throws that he made were in the air a long time...I don't think he has the arm...Yet anyway...if he goes to ISU...he will have a lot of developing to do..

His potential for development is a determination that I trust to Trent and his staff. They are doing a great job and I have total confidence in their judgment and decisions.
:sycamores::sycamores::sycamores:

[BigBlue79]

I'm just talking football...of course ISU staff will figure that out...we will see if he goes to ISU...If he does then he will go to work like the rest of the freshman and we will see what happens...

[Patriot_Sycamore]

Lets not forget that coaches look ahead at projections, Im not saying Lancaster is or isnt, but we get caught up alot in looking at these kids in high school. Coaches hopefully due their work and find out how hard the kids works, on the field and in the class etc etc etc.


:sycamores:

[True Blue]

Lets not forget that coaches look ahead at projections, Im not saying Lancaster is or isnt, but we get caught up alot in looking at these kids in high school. Coaches hopefully due their work and find out how hard the kids works, on the field and in the class etc etc etc.


:sycamores:

I'm not disagreeing with you, but ability and performance right now plays a big part, otherwise you don't get recruited. I think a switch to WR would benefit him in college. He is not better than O'Leary was. He doesn't have near the arm strength O'Leary has. I'm sorry, I just don't see him as a D1 quarterback.

[SycamoreBlue3209]

I honestly think he has the skill set to play wide out in college. He is big, strong, fast, and athletic. It just doesn't seem at this point he could play QB at ISU due to the fact he couldn't handle North's presure and was picked by a sophmore twice who isn't very good at all.

[True Blue]

I honestly think he has the skill set to play wide out in college. He is big, strong, fast, and athletic. It just doesn't seem at this point he could play QB at ISU due to the fact he couldn't handle North's presure and was picked by a sophmore twice who isn't very good at all.

WOW! I've seen 2/3 of North's games this year and that Sophomore has been one of the best players on the field. I actually think ISU needs to keep an eye on him. A long, 6'3" safety who's only going to get bigger and stronger.

The two picks he had were real nice. One was one-handed and the other he went across field and intercepted it right on the sideline.

[BigBlue79]

He's only a sophmore so we will wait and see how he develops...they have a handful of sophmores ISU should keep an eye on...

Lancaster at wideout...hmmm...I'm not one to doubt...but in my opinion...when you move a QB to WR...blocking may be an issue because he has never done it...it is a gamble cause you dont' know how he will fare...why not just get a wideout who plays wideout...there are a lot of pickings....

[TJames]

saturday night...and lancaster's name came up...they all think that he can play somewhere at indiana state.....they all consider him to be a good athlete who could possibly be like a ryan roberts-type....good kid.....good athlete...can play where ever you may need him.....could be a quarterback...could be a safety.....could be a wide receiver......

they all thought that he could and would fit in perfectly with what trent is doing at indiana state.....

[SycamoreBlue3209]

WOW! I've seen 2/3 of North's games this year and that Sophomore has been one of the best players on the field. I actually think ISU needs to keep an eye on him. A long, 6'3" safety who's only going to get bigger and stronger.

The two picks he had were real nice. One was one-handed and the other he went across field and intercepted it right on the sideline.

I have seen this kid several times and not very good. Seriously, but I was not meaning anything toward him just the fact of Lancaster getting picked.

[BigBlue79]

Remember that I am just telling what I saw at the North game..it was only one game...Lancaster won't be like roberts...no way...roberts 6'5 215 as a freshman and faster than lancaster...lancaster 6'0 165 or 170 and he has good speed...don't know if it is college speed...koby kraemer was way faster and quicker but he was average speed in college and I know he was young but still....I saw A.J. Grady the sophmore d-lineman close in on lancaster a couple times...he had a few good scrambles but no breakaway speed..the kids at north closed in on him quick too and they are not that fast either...Kraemer prayed for a team to blitz him...he was like houdini back there when he played north...Travis Johnson was good in highschool...Seliger was very good in highschool...broc miller was very good...marcus etnier's coach at bloomington south was disappointed he went to ISU because he thought he should go D-1 and I haven't heard from any of them at QB or any other position...I am not talking bad about anybody..but right now I'm just a little skeptical on lancaster...and to move him to WR and he has to learn how to block all of a sudden? That will be another issue...Blocking in the open field and he has never done it and we have no film on him in the position? It is a gamble. When I played...the wr's knew blocking was just as important...if they couldn't block well...they didn't step on the field period...so if you want to move lancaster to any other position...why not just recruit in that position a good sized fast kid who has played whatever position all of his life...There was a kid on Northview who was a reciever..he has very good speed and he caught gabbard from behind...he was more impressive to me...If there was no buzz on lancaster's name...and I didn't know who he was..I wouldn't have noticed he was a step above everybody at the north game....Remember this was just one game observation...that's all..

[IndianaState45]

Big Blue, I agree that we should recruit at the position desired...it's hard to switch positions in college (it can certainly be done but a gamble). Also, I don't know much about Lancster himself, but for all the "Lancaster’s" out there...it's important for them to recognize that each year only 2-3 area kids are realistically good enough to "go" to state... as we all know that doesn't mean you'll play let alone even start one day. We have a back log of great high school QB's and other athletes who are either helping out in other ways or are riding the pine while Fouch and Glass take snaps. Along these lines, let's look forward at this years recruiting class..... we turned the corner last year right? We brought in an even more impressive recruiting class (that's three subsequent classes that are each better than the last as a group in my opinion) and here we are poised to win several more games and have a respectable season... guys who are borderline players (like a "Lancaster" according to the views of some in this forum) that we would have been thrilled to have in the past few years will more than likely find themselves not offered a spot (maybe not even as a walk-on..there will be a few as always..but not as many) as those spots are taken by guys we only wished we could have recruited last season...and only dreamed we could have gotten two or three years ago. Winning changes things...progress changes things... Coach Miles IS changing things and I expect this recruiting class to be his best yet...my biggest concern recruiting wise is we only have 9 Seniors.....however, there are always guys who quit, get cut, or don't make grades...I bet we'll bring in 15-17 new players next season by the first game....we'll see of course after the team takes care of business this season!

[TJames]

i was talking generally....about temperment...athletic ability.....he could be like the bridgewater brothers from south putnam were back in the late 1980s/early 1990s.....good kids.....good people....you can nevber have too many good people....you can generally find a spot for a kid like that...

as for moving players around in college...you see it all the time.....the big schools do it....they recruit somebody who was a quarterback or running back in high schoool...and make them a linebacker, safety or cornerback......heck, dan brandenburg was a high school running back that isu made into a defensive end/outside linebacker.....perry willett was a high school quarterback who ended up playing defensive tackle for the sycamores.....

[BigBlue79]

Agree...I'm not saying that it cannot be done or hasn't been done...but when it was done..those kids were probably gifted physically and how many times to the big schools recruit in their own positions as opposed to moving kids around...lancaster is not that gifted of an athlete...average speed...average arm...if he ran a 4.4 at QB or 4.5 or something like that...then we can talk about moving him around...all I'm saying is...if you need a wr..then why look at a local hs qb who was good at northview and move him there...when you can go get someone else or another athlete...dan brandenburg could have played any position on the field because that dude was a monster...a fast one..I'll watch lancaster play more games..he may have just not been himself...

[gridiron]

Brandenburg was a quarterback in high school...also high jumped 6'8 or 6'9 in high school. Lancaster is a very good quarterback...hard to do anything when your top wr is double covered and there is always 2 or 3 guys in your face. Plus, their run game was completely taken away. Lancaster will play QB somewhere.

[BigBlue79]

I'll watch him again...that was only one game...I am not judging off of his bad night though...I was talking arm strength and speed...when he did make a throw they hung in the air too long and picked three times and some of those throws there was nobody in his face and he thought he had a TD...that WR that was double covered is a fast kid...I liked him...

[jlandrus23]

Have we offered Lancaster anything?

[jlandrus23]

Have we heard anything else on if he is coming here or if he going elsewhere?

[Ong Hop]

ISU wants him. He wants ISU. DONE DEAL.

[Jason Svoboda]

As a walk-on?

I'd be absolutely shocked if they offered him a scholarship.

[IndianaState45]

I could see a partial or walk on. Quarter or half ride since he's in state

[Jason Svoboda]

We have Derek Hart (FR, Warren Central), Chris O'Leary (FR, Terre Haute North) that will both be sophomores next year. Travis Johnson will be a junior. You also have Ronnie, Coy Glass who will be seniors. Also forgot about Seliger as well. Plus, we're likely to get that transfer QB in from Bowling Green.

Not sure we can afford 8 quarterbacks when we have some glaring needs elsewhere.

[jlandrus23]

I thought Seliger was graduating after this season?

[Lights Out]

I have heard he is on his way to Marian.

[Jason Svoboda]

I have heard he is on his way to Marian.
I had not heard that. Thanks!

[Jason Svoboda]

I thought Seliger was graduating after this season?
He redshirted his first year, so he technically would have a year remaining. Bottom line to me is there are much better prospects out there. I'd rather dip into California since we now have more OoS scholarships available.

[jlandrus23]

I'd like another QB from Redlands, California.

[IndianaState45]

I agree lots of qbs on that roster even with two to three seniors next year depending on if matt seliger returns. They may bring him in as an athlete type.

[TJames]

maybe not.

[IndianaState45]

Im pretty sure glass and fouch are both seniors

[jlandrus23]

That is right, Glass and Fouch will both be seniors, unless they redshirt Glass next season.

[rgd]

Lancaster is a good athlete, but he can't play QB for the Sycamores. Maybe a WR or DB.

[Ong Hop]

You ask a simple question on this board and get a simple truthful answer...then ALL the OPINIONS come out. WHAT FOOLISHNESS!!!!

[jlandrus23]

You ask a simple question on this board and get a simple truthful answer...then ALL the OPINIONS come out. WHAT FOOLISHNESS!!!!

LOL!! That was pretty funny.:cheers:

[Jason Svoboda]

You ask a simple question on this board and get a simple truthful answer...then ALL the OPINIONS come out. WHAT FOOLISHNESS!!!!
Has he been offered a scholarship?

[Dgreenwell3]

I dont think so Jason...Could be wrong but I have been trying to follow our recruiting trail pretty well and I dont think we have offered him...I would like to see us go after an Out of state kid...

[Jason Svoboda]

I dont think so Jason...Could be wrong but I have been trying to follow our recruiting trail pretty well and I dont think we have offered him...I would like to see us go after an Out of state kid...
I have not heard of one, either and that is my point. While I think Trent does have some talent, I think we need to start casting a wider net. If we want to compete within the Missouri Valley on an annual basis, quarterback is a position where we need a top flight player as evidenced by Ronnie's play this year.

Additionally, following college recruiting like I do, you find the best college quarterbacks in the warm weather states for the most part because those kids play football year round, usually have much larger talent bases/populations, so on and so forth.

[Ong Hop]

No one said he was to play QB. IS Roberts? Is King? Typically HS QBs are recruited as "Athletes" and become receivers, CB, TE or DE.

[TJames]

he is only a freshman i believe and would have at least three years to play......

[rgd]

I think Jason put it best. Too many times, people in the Wabash Valley see a local kid do well and automatically think he can play for ISU. Although this is sometimes true (Brock Lough and Dan Millington come to mind), more often than not, the local athletes only end up being program players. Program players are definitely important, but the local kids usually don't have the success they are used to having. And I think we all realize how important a QB is to the success of a team (how quickly Fouch made us forget about Stutzriem and Roberts).

[4Q_iu]

...Additionally, following college recruiting like I do, you find the best college quarterbacks in the warm weather states for the most part because those kids play football year round, usually have much larger talent bases/populations, so on and so forth.

It's not just the better QBs -- it's the majority of talent; first because of the population (talent base); than the weather which allows year-round play, finally, the emphasis placed on athletics over academics in states such as FLA

[TJames]

i dont fault roberts playing quarterback. he's a kid that has played how many positions since coming to indiana state? three or four at least. had he been kept as a quarterback and been allowed to learn the position and been in the right type of offense, he might have been pretty good. i still remember the way he played in that homecoming win over western illinois two years ago. ryan roberts is a great kid and a very good athlete who has been shifted around from position to position through no fault of his own. and, as far as i know, he hasn't griped about being moved around. he plays where the coaches need him to play. you don't find too many kids like that who puts the best interests of the team over their own self interests.

[TJames]

you do find kids more prepared to play in those states....than, say, in indiana......but that's not always true....reggie allen and mike sotak were both from western pennsylvania (playing in a high school conference that has produced guys like joe namath and joe montana).....jeff miller and john sahm were both indiana guys.....

[Dgreenwell3]

I have never seen a HS QB get turned into a D-end...

[jlandrus23]

Turkey Run's QB a couple of years ago, I think was a DE on defense, because he was a big kid. I can't see Lancaster playing DE. I see him more as a WR or CB or S.

[TJames]

and another one, Perry Willett, was moved to defensive tackle.........both at Indiana State......

[Jason Svoboda]

I know they're athletic, but I hope we're not going after defensive linemen that played QB at the HS level. This isn't football in the 70s and 80s... the game has refined and guys usually specialize at their position these days, going to skills camps, team camps, etc.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/draft-history-graphic.htm?loc=interstitialskip -- Click on By High School and have fun.

[TJames]

Dallas Clark was a linebacker in high school and became a tight end at Iowa...as a walkon.....

Players often change positions when they reach the college level....if they're good enough athletes, fullbacks become linebackers....running backs become cornerbacks....quarterbacks become safeties or linebackers......wide receivers become defensive backs.....

and it happens at all levels....i see and hear about it all the time on the major level....i read a lot of articles and websites about college football......and it's a constant things...kids being moved around to other positions than the ones that they were playing at the high school level.....

[IndianaState45]

I think they put Greg Barrett at DE for a little bit.....before my time, but someone told me that once. He was a qb at West Vigo.

[Dgreenwell3]

Svo u are soooooo right...any chance ISU goes after Mount Vernon QB Jason Stemple????I know he wasnt on the best team but the guys statistics are ridiculous...

[4Q_iu]

Dallas Clark was a linebacker in high school and became a tight end at Iowa...as a walkon.....

Players often change positions when they reach the college level....if they're good enough athletes, fullbacks become linebackers....running backs become cornerbacks....quarterbacks become safeties or linebackers......wide receivers become defensive backs.....

and it happens at all levels....i see and hear about it all the time on the major level....i read a lot of articles and websites about college football......and it's a constant things...kids being moved around to other positions than the ones that they were playing at the high school level.....

Former Colt Ken Dilger was a All-State HS QB before he was a All-Big Ten and Pro Bowl TE... course Illinois also tried him at OL, DE, LB before settling on TE.

Than again, Illinois wasn't going to let Cutler be a QB either :krazy:

[Jason Svoboda]

I think people are wandering from the point here. Sure guys can succeed at other positions, but usually there are certain positions that are fits on the other side of the ball. Additionally, a lot has to do with the kid's frame and what kind of body development can happen.

Bottom line to me is I've seen the kid play and think we can do better at ANY position he would translate to at the college level. I'm done with the 0-11 seasons and I think Trent Miles is too. If he offers the kid a scholarship, I'll trust that he sees something in Lancaster that others haven't -- don't believe he has a signle Division I offer.

[TJames]

you bring a kid in and find a spot for them.....and then see what happens.....if they warrant a scholarship later, then great...if not, nothing lost.

[jlandrus23]

I looked him up on scout, and Trent is not even found in the search. I bet he ends up going D2 or D3 in Indiana. More like Franklin, DePauw, or even RHIT.

[Jason Svoboda]

you bring a kid in and find a spot for them.....and then see what happens.....if they warrant a scholarship later, then great...if not, nothing lost.
I have no problem in something like this. Want a scholarship? Come get it. As we get more and more competitive, I hope we can supplement our roster with these types of kids that come in with something to prove.

[Sycalum82]

According to some of my friends in the media, Trent Lancaster of Northview has verbally committed to ISU.

[Dgreenwell3]

Landrus should be happy, where is Landrus BTW? get grounded?

[IndianaState45]

He's in class...homeroom I think. No smartphones allowed

[jlandrus23]

I'm right here fellas, and yes I am very happy.

[Sycalum82]

According to friends of mine in the media Trent Lancaster of Northview has verbally committed to play football at ISU.

[sarnold214]

Looks like more local talent is going to ISU!

http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/sports/high_school/northviews-lancaster-verbals-to-isu

[Dgreenwell3]

Dang it svo...I was just doing that!

[Jason Svoboda]

Merged everying about Lancaster into a profile thread for him.

[Dgreenwell3]

This kid is a wide receiver at this level right? I mean I am cool with athletic QBs but I mean is his athleticism going to be effective?

[jlandrus23]

This kid is a wide receiver at this level right? I mean I am cool with athletic QBs but I mean is his athleticism going to be effective?

Kind of the same question I am asking, but does anyone know what position he is supposed to be playing here?

[TJames]

and they will try him out at several spots...until they find one that suits him the best.....Indiana State has had a lot of luck and success over the years in doing that, especially with local kids.....you find what position is the best for the player...and coach'em up.....

[Jason Svoboda]

Noticed he isn't listed in the yearbook they just put out today.

[eagletree]

Thought he got hurt in the all star game and was out.

[Patriot_Sycamore]

Out for the year? I think we would have heard that

[BankShot]

for starters...at least they always have been....and, no. 2, the people there probably weren't happy that the quarterback they sent to isu before...never panned out and eventually transferred to marian college.......

they like isu for baseball...all the guys from northview who went to play for the sycamores...like chad mcdonald, jeff buell, john howes, andy lumsdon...

and hoops..we all remember kenny rowan and ernie maesch.......

but maybe they got their nose bent out of joint when the other quarterback didnt work out.....

Don't forget...former THS/Franklin PG Rowdy Williams was once a Brazil resident before a family move to TH. He was a 3-yr. starting G for THS during the late 80's w/McGee, Deister, Richardson & Co., who were at one time, ranked #1 in Indiana (yes, they kicked E-ville Harrison w/ Cheaney & BNL w/ Bailey). Williams was also Sr. Class President. He's been practicing law in TH for almost 15 yrs. now.

BTW, had Rowan not blown his knee out in his 1st yr., he would've been one of the best front-line players in the HISTORY of ISU...what a talent!

[IndianaState45]

Some of these guys might show up after camp. Especially walk ons or players who got hurt

[bent20]

He was probably going to redshirt, injury or not, wasn't he? I think that's the best for a young QB right now, who isn't going to see the field this early anyway.

[bigsportsfan]

He actually is a "greyshirt" this year. He's not enrolled in school this fall, but will enroll in the spring and participate in practice. This will allow this year to not be counted in his "five to play four" time.

[Jason Svoboda]

He actually is a "greyshirt" this year. He's not enrolled in school this fall, but will enroll in the spring and participate in practice. This will allow this year to not be counted in his "five to play four" time.
That's it. I forgot he was greyshirting.