Terre Haute pushing for girls '12 state finals

[sarnold214]

Looks like Terre Haute (http://www.wthitv.com) wants to host the girls 2012 State Finals.

http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/sports/high_school/th-wants-to-host-girls-12-state-finals

[4Q_iu]

Who'd have thunk it...

This is what you get with Class Basketball -- Thanks IHSAA?! :krazy:

[IndyTreeFan]

Good for Terre Haute! I hope they can get it this time. It would be a nice feather in the caps of ISU and Terre Haute!!!

[SycamoreFan317]

In addition to Terre Haute, Ft. Wayne and Evansville also put in bids.

[Fiji Bill 72]

I think it would be great for ISU and the women's program, but it is terrible for high school girls basketball. The games should be in Indianapolis. Fort Wayne, Terre Haute, Evansville are not centrally located. Years ago it was not good when they moved the games to Bloomington for the boys' tournament. Attendance in Fort Wayne was not good. That said, if it is not in Indy, then my hope is it is in Hulman Center.

[4Q_iu]

I think it would be great for ISU and the women's program, but it is terrible for high school girls basketball. The games should be in Indianapolis. Fort Wayne, Terre Haute, Evansville are not centrally located. Years ago it was not good when they moved the games to Bloomington for the boys' tournament. Attendance in Fort Wayne was not good. That said, if it is not in Indy, then my hope is it is in Hulman Center.

This is the result of class basketball. Return to a TRUE championship and watch attendance rebound; it won't get worse -- hell, it can only get better!

[Fiji Bill 72]

We can all dream about one-class basketball, but it will never return. The small schools feel just as proud of the trophies they hav in their cases as Carmel or Ben Davis. The reality is we tried to fix something that was not broken and we cannot go back.

[Callmedoc]

This is the result of class basketball. Return to a TRUE championship and watch attendance rebound; it won't get worse -- hell, it can only get better! wasn't even the topic 4q he was talking about location my the sport itself...I will say this though, ever notice it's the fan screaming for one class basketball and not the student athlete? Sports are about the kids at that level IMO

[4Q_iu]

We can all dream about one-class basketball, but it will never return. The small schools feel just as proud of the trophies they hav in their cases as Carmel or Ben Davis. The reality is we tried to fix something that was not broken and we cannot go back.

To paraphrase Clayton Moore: "What's this we s***, Kemo Sabe?" :bigsmile:

You are correct -- it wasn't broken.

[4Q_iu]

wasn't even the topic 4q he was talking about location my the sport itself...I will say this though, ever notice it's the fan screaming for one class basketball and not the student athlete? Sports are about the kids at that level IMO

Seriously?! The IHSAA has had to shop this around BECAUSE of class basketball. It's not like the IHSAA is moving it around so each corner of the state can host it, it's because they have a broken product on their hands, broken BECAUSE of class sports.

In 1976, they held the first girls tournament finals at Hinkle Fieldhouse -- it grew and the IHSAA moved it to Market Square Arena

http://www.ihsaa.org/dnn/Sports/Girls/Basketball/TeamStateChampions/tabid/349/Default.aspx

As for only the fans screaming for a return; it wasn't the kids who were screaming FOR class basketball. It was the SMALL School Administrators/Coaches/Ath Directors.

As for 'sports are about the kids...' That sounds like the attitude of the under-30 crowd who received a trophy for showing up RATHER than for winning... IMO

[Patriot_Sycamore]

Wasnt one of the reasons ISU did not get this last year was that ISU wouldnt change the court length from college? Are we willing/able to do this now?

[Callmedoc]

As for 'sports are about the kids...' That sounds like the attitude of the under-30 crowd who received a trophy for showing up RATHER than for winning... IMO

And that sounds like the opinion of an over 50 fan that is more interested in how he wants to see things than what is currently working for all student athletes involved IMO.
Also I would like to point out that it was 4Qs generation decision to hand out said trophies so remember you are pointing the finger at yourselves.
thirdly, I am not in a fighting mood over this, I just think High school athletics should always be about the kids and AAU sports are about them reaching that next level. Nothing wrong with that.

[IndyTreeFan]

Wow, did this thread stray off course...:bigsmile:

[4Q_iu]

And that sounds like the opinion of an over 50 fan that is more interested in how he wants to see things than what is currently working for all student athletes involved IMO.
Also I would like to point out that it was 4Qs generation decision to hand out said trophies so remember you are pointing the finger at yourselves.
thirdly, I am not in a fighting mood over this, I just think High school athletics should always be about the kids and AAU sports are about them reaching that next level. Nothing wrong with that.

Well, if I were over 50... I'd still disagree with you.

My generation was at the early point of the 'everybody's a winner' era; NOT the originator of it -- THAT was the Baby Boomers

If things were 'currently working' than the IHSAA would stage their championship in the state capital, not shopping them around the state to the highest bidder... FACT

[Callmedoc]

We are talking about Women's basketball here 4Q, not that there is ANYTHING wrong with it, but it isn't a big seller and hasn't been forever...Doesn't really matter though because we can go back and forth all day but the class system is here to stay so the discussion is a waste of time.

[Sycamore Proud]

To paraphrase Clayton Moore: "What's this we s***, Kemo Sabe?" :bigsmile:

You are correct -- it wasn't broken.

That was Jay Siverheels, not Clayton Moore. Jay was Tonto; Moore was the Ranger.

Go back and check the attendance at many, many schools. It was broken.

[4Q_iu]

That was Jay Siverheels, not Clayton Moore. Jay was Tonto; Moore was the Ranger.

Go back and check the attendance at many, many schools. It was broken.

Thanks for the Ranger correction.

Individual school attendance isn't the issue; it's tournament attendance.
And attendance wasn't the driving force behind classifying the schools -- making themselves 'winners' WAS, especially the one's who could never win a sectional under the one-class system.

At the time, there was a plan to classify all sports EXCEPT basketball.

Had THAT occured, we wouldn't be having this discussion today.

The class-system i-n-d-i-v-i-d-u-a-l-s fought FOR class basketball because they knew NO ONE cared about the other sports.

Will the one-class system return? No -- but that DOESN"T mean it was a good decision. It WAS wrong, it IS wrong; acceptance is just part of the problem.

[SycamoreFan317]

wasn't even the topic 4q he was talking about location my the sport itself...I will say this though, ever notice it's the fan screaming for one class basketball and not the student athlete? Sports are about the kids at that level IMO

Today's student athlete does not know what the one class system was like so why would they want anything else?

[Jason Svoboda]

Sports are about the kids at that level IMO
I disagree.

Here is your trophy, cookie and juice pouch. It's okay that you let the opposing 4-foot-3, blind girl with no arms score 50 on you... you're still a winner to us!

[Callmedoc]

I disagree.

Here is your trophy, cookie and juice pouch. It's okay that you let the opposing 4-foot-3, blind girl with no arms score 50 on you... you're still a winner to us!

Not my point but a 6 foot 1 kid from southern indiana trying to guard Greg Oden isn't good either.

[SycamoreFan317]

Not my point but a 6 foot 1 kid from southern indiana trying to guard Greg Oden isn't good either.

In life you get put in all type of positions you either find a way to compete or you don't. The kids are being told that they are not good enough to guard Greg Oden so we will give you a class to compete in so that you won't have to worry about it, this is not life.

[Callmedoc]

I had a snarky remark but not gonna go there...done. I like Class basketball and trust me it's not nearly as screwed up here as it is in Cali.

[4Q_iu]

Not my point but a 6 foot 1 kid from southern indiana trying to guard Greg Oden isn't good either.

So.... now you're advocating classes based on height?! :D

Not sure why your brought home region/area into it...

Damn, at this rate you want EVERYTHING to be classified!! :bigsmile:

Also have to believe that EVERYTHING is more screwed up in California -- what's that saying? Something about being the home of fruits, nuts and berries??

[Callmedoc]

So.... now you're advocating classes based on height?! :D

Not sure why your brought home region/area into it...

Damn, at this rate you want EVERYTHING to be classified!! :bigsmile:

Also have to believe that EVERYTHING is more screwed up in California -- what's that saying? Something about being the home of fruits, nuts and berries??

SMH...no I am just saying a guy who would be "my size" prolly wouldn't have much success guarding the forty year old freshman...and hey now! Don't get on my home state like that :bigsmile:
If you want to see a "class" system you should check out the california system, it is pretty terrible. Here they still keep it pretty wide open and I like that...

[Daveinth]

Not to be a smart ass but I thought this thread was about Terre Haute pushing for the state finals ?

[Sycamore Proud]

Not to be a smart ass but I thought this thread was about Terre Haute pushing for the state finals ?

Good point!

[SycamoreFan317]

This might be doable for ISU and TH, read the latest.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20110604/SPORTS02/106040336/Girls-basketball-finals-might-move-again?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports

[Sycamore Proud]

It does sound favorable, doesn't it? Good choice--best central location available.