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    Just read in the Indianapolis Star this morning that lawmakers are considering licensing a casino in Terre Haute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shootingsycamore View Post
    Just read in the Indianapolis Star this morning that lawmakers are considering licensing a casino in Terre Haute.
    There was a story in the trib star last sunday i think

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    TH Trib-Star front page coverage every day this past week. TH political leaders (Mayor Bennett, Co. Commissioner Judy Anderson, C of C Pres. Dave Haynes) were also lobbying hard in support. Still doesn't look good for TH - I thought the fiscal #'s thrown around by Sen. Jon Ford were way beyond realistic, as far as the formula for "punitive" payments by the proposed TH Casino to Anderson, Shelbyville & Rising Sun. Besides, why should TH be "punished" if a casino HERE proves more successful? Utterly ridiculous. Totally different demographic focus areas. It's almost as if Indiana Govt WANTS TH to be perpetually locked in economic disparity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankShot View Post
    TH Trib-Star front page coverage every day this past week. TH political leaders (Mayor Bennett, Co. Commissioner Judy Anderson, C of C Pres. Dave Haynes) were also lobbying hard in support. Still doesn't look good for TH - I thought the fiscal #'s thrown around by Sen. Jon Ford were way beyond realistic, as far as the formula for "punitive" payments by the proposed TH Casino to Anderson, Shelbyville & Rising Sun. Besides, why should TH be "punished" if a casino HERE proves more successful? Utterly ridiculous. Totally different demographic focus areas. It's almost as if Indiana Govt WANTS TH to be perpetually locked in economic disparity.
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    Don't read the Trib Star anymore, only when mentioned here. One would think the Hulman Center project would take precedence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Q_iu View Post
    morally / ethically I am not opposed to gambling... but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to live in las vegas, atlantic city or other gambling meccas...

    i don't live in terre haute today, adding this casino won't be a reason for me to uproot and move to Terre-dise...

    Terre Haute should be pushing to land better jobs, better (more stable) economic 'engines' than a casino
    Not for lack of trying. I think they've worked really hard to create suitable spaces for businesses with the types of jobs you are talking about and haven't had much luck. A lot of reasons behind this - one that I work with in my profession on a daily basis is healthcare costs. The costs in Vigo Co. and surrounding counties are some of the highest in the midwest. Don't think large employers are not looking at claims data when they consider locating in Terre Haute, expanding an existing facility and or shutting down a business and relocating it all together. I think you've got other factors that include but not limited to; infrastructure, workforce competency, geography etc. My point is, I don't think it's fair to say or assume terre Haute isn't pushing to land better (more stable) jobs. Just because they don't seem to be coming here doesn't mean people are not working hard to make it happen.

    I do not gamble and I will probably spend very little time in the facility myself. If they locate it out east I am partially in favor of it - if they locate it by the river near downtown I am largely in favor of it. At this point I am not sure what Terre Haute has to lose by bringing a casino here?? I also think your point about pulling in revenue from some of the surrounding counties especially those in Illinois is a good one and maybe the biggest reason I would be in favor of such a project. Either we sit back and wait for another community to build one or we build one ourselves... Again, what do we have to lose?

    At any rate, I didn't get the impression that this will pass anyway. Seems to me as if the lawmakers want to see other casinos succeed in the state of Indiana and that some how another casino in Terre Haute will diminish returns on some of those other facilities that you mentioned. Perhaps that is true - but the strong will survive, they always find a way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SycamoreStateofMind View Post
    I do not gamble and I will probably spend very little time in the facility myself. If they locate it out east I am partially in favor of it - if they locate it by the river near downtown I am largely in favor of it. At this point I am not sure what Terre Haute has to lose by bringing a casino here?? I also think your point about pulling in revenue from some of the surrounding counties especially those in Illinois is a good one and maybe the biggest reason I would be in favor of such a project. Either we sit back and wait for another community to build one or we build one ourselves... Again, what do we have to lose?
    Citizens will lose their money. Look at cities with casinos in Indiana -- they're predominately poor areas that do not see their per capita incomes rise even with influx of tax dollars. Someone tried to tell me Evansville was the model and I looked at their numbers and they have a lower per capita income than Terre Haute has and it was gotten worse since the casinos moved in. So with a populace that is now poorer, you'll see more welfare, more crime, more family issues, etc.

    Plus, all I've seen over the last couple days is people complaining that the gas company is putting them in the poorhouse. A majority of the folks I see saying this are middle class families stating they can't afford the extra $100-200 on their bill. That tells me they have little to no savings to weather a small financial ripple of a couple hundred bucks. Crazy. So let's give them a casino within 10 minutes of their front door. Hope food banks are doubling collection efforts for all of those kids that will end up hungry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Svoboda View Post
    Citizens will lose their money. Look at cities with casinos in Indiana -- they're predominately poor areas that do not see their per capita incomes rise even with influx of tax dollars. Someone tried to tell me Evansville was the model and I looked at their numbers and they have a lower per capita income than Terre Haute has and it was gotten worse since the casinos moved in. So with a populace that is now poorer, you'll see more welfare, more crime, more family issues, etc.

    Plus, all I've seen over the last couple days is people complaining that the gas company is putting them in the poorhouse. A majority of the folks I see saying this are middle class families stating they can't afford the extra $100-200 on their bill. That tells me they have little to no savings to weather a small financial ripple of a couple hundred bucks. Crazy. So let's give them a casino within 10 minutes of their front door. Hope food banks are doubling collection efforts for all of those kids that will end up hungry.
    I'm not going to debate any of that or tell you that you're wrong. This is one of those things that I see that side of it too.

    If I had a vote - I'd give it a yes vote. That said, I'm not losing sleep over it if it doesn't pass.
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    I think you would draw from my area too. Its a pretty easy drive from everywhere. TH is not as hard to navigate. the closest casino from here is either peoria 2 hours, st louis 2 hours, or still evansville if you were south like robinson or lawrenceville. I dont know the economics of it but it wouldnt surprise me if casinos were only considered as a down was on the downward economic turn. what are the numbers of towns such as Evansville who dont end up with a casino?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SycamoreStateofMind View Post
    Not for lack of trying. I think they've worked really hard to create suitable spaces for businesses with the types of jobs you are talking about and haven't had much luck. A lot of reasons behind this - one that I work with in my profession on a daily basis is healthcare costs. The costs in Vigo Co. and surrounding counties are some of the highest in the midwest. Don't think large employers are not looking at claims data when they consider locating in Terre Haute, expanding an existing facility and or shutting down a business and relocating it all together. I think you've got other factors that include but not limited to; infrastructure, workforce competency, geography etc. My point is, I don't think it's fair to say or assume terre Haute isn't pushing to land better (more stable) jobs. Just because they don't seem to be coming here doesn't mean people are not working hard to make it happen.

    I do not gamble and I will probably spend very little time in the facility myself. If they locate it out east I am partially in favor of it - if they locate it by the river near downtown I am largely in favor of it. At this point I am not sure what Terre Haute has to lose by bringing a casino here?? I also think your point about pulling in revenue from some of the surrounding counties especially those in Illinois is a good one and maybe the biggest reason I would be in favor of such a project. Either we sit back and wait for another community to build one or we build one ourselves... Again, what do we have to lose?

    At any rate, I didn't get the impression that this will pass anyway. Seems to me as if the lawmakers want to see other casinos succeed in the state of Indiana and that some how another casino in Terre Haute will diminish returns on some of those other facilities that you mentioned. Perhaps that is true - but the strong will survive, they always find a way.

    I'd agree that the chamber of commerce / economic development in/for Vigo County, Terre Haute, the Wabash Valley are working hard to bring jobs, companies, etc to the region.

    I disagree that casinos are the moneymakers that so many politicos believe they are; I remember an Indiana pre-lottery. Has Indiana improved because of the lottery? I doubt it.

    At the end of the day, casinos are all chasing the same gambler and that's why I don't see the state approving another casino in Indiana; the state gets their taste today, a casino in Terre-dise would simply siphon off the same gamblers who go to French Lick, Evansville, Gary, Rising Sun today.
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