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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Q_iu View Post
    Will it pass in Vigo Co.?



    Debatable... initial construction/renovation, sure... long-term, full-time? Jury is out; the casino industry LOVE 'slots', they're not as big a fan when it comes to 'table games'

    Why?

    Slots don't need a "living wage"
    Slots can't / won't unionize/bargain collectively
    Slots don't need time off when their kid is sick, when their elderly parent wanders awway
    Slots don't complain about too few, too many hours




    long-term the State of Indiana will not realize a legit bump in casino dollars; what they will experience is a shifting of casino revenues origination location...

    maybe more $$ from Terre Haute, fewer from the other areas... Indiana could/would experience a 'casino arms race' much like Vegas has

    I'm betting a casino in The Haute will do for it what ALL the casinos in Atlantic City did for it
    Slots also dont run themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niklz62 View Post
    Slots also dont run themselves.
    True but the current slots are not mechanical, they're digital... requiring far, FAR less maintenance than their predecessors...

    sad that so many locales have bought into the farce of casinos as an economic engine
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Q_iu View Post
    Will it pass in Vigo Co.?
    Every non-scientific social media poll that I've seen shows overwhelming support 70% in support in most polls. Around here - that data is usually pretty reliable. Even if that number were to drop to 55-60% the grassroots effort to get this thing through will be too much for any opposition to overcome. The business community at-large has been behind this effort from day one.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4Q_iu View Post

    Debatable... initial construction/renovation, sure... long-term, full-time? Jury is out; the casino industry LOVE 'slots', they're not as big a fan when it comes to 'table games'

    Why?

    Slots don't need a "living wage"
    Slots can't / won't unionize/bargain collectively
    Slots don't need time off when their kid is sick, when their elderly parent wanders away
    Slots don't complain about too few, too many hours


    long-term the State of Indiana will not realize a legit bump in casino dollars; what they will experience is a shifting of casino revenues origination location...

    maybe more $$ from Terre Haute, fewer from the other areas... Indiana could/would experience a 'casino arms race' much like Vegas has

    I'm betting a casino in The Haute will do for it what ALL the casinos in Atlantic City did for it
    I guess you can debate every facet of this deal with someone that will oblige. Personally, I'm just hopeful that Terre Haute can ride this momentum and maybe other opportunities will continue to come our way. I've lived in this community my entire life and am proud to say so - but this community has had a hell of a time retaining talent and attracting new business. I'm not so sure this helps that effort - but it certainly doesn't hurt it - because I don't think it can get much worse. In my lifetime I've seen many of businesses close and leave Terre Haute.

    But I'm optimistic - consider in the next 10 years we could have (some of these projects currently underway or nearing completion):

    - Renovated Hulman Center

    - New Convention Center

    - New Hotel / Casino / Bar / Restaurant

    - New downtown TH Hotel

    - New downtown parking garage

    - New / Renovated High Schools (West, South, North)

    - New Jail

    - New outdoor riverfront amphitheater. https://www.tribstar.com/opinion/edi...ef251ea52.html

    - New Terre Haute Historical Museum

    - New expansive Vigo County Park located in Southern Vigo Co. https://www.tribstar.com/news/local_...986b6c768.html

    Other opportunities exist such as:

    - Potential for new federal pen facility.

    - New football stadium

    So I'm not suggesting that this casino is the reason for my optimism - I don't think gambling fixes us by any means. I think it's another pieces to our puzzle and one that people should either get behind or figure out something else to be pissed off about.
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    While driving for Landstar Express America, I picked up slots in 'Vegas (Bally-Konami-IGT Gaming, etc.) and delivered to various casinos throughout America and Canada. It is a very heavily regulated industry. For instance, on one occasion I had a load destined for outside Toronto, Canada. Just before closing & locking the doors of my truck, the Casino employees forgot they had to remove the top attachments to each game, per Canada requirement. They had to unload & take the tops off. I also was once was loaded & ready to depart 'Vegas, when an employee came running outside & waving his arms. They'd just received notice that the games they'd loaded were giving out too much $$$, so they had to be re-programmed and load new slots.

    I've seen lucrative casinos and those on the verge of collapse. The worst I saw was 20 mi E of Norman, OK on an Indian Reservation. Reminded me of one of Ellis' TH strip malls! The key is reasonable access to a population that enjoys gaming, food & entertainment...and can afford it.
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    As expected - Gibson went on the record to say he'd like the casino to go out east. Personally, I'd have liked to see it on or near the river. Think that a casino could have really been the shot in the arm that we needed to get the riverfront going - it's worked in other communities and would have been more centrally located to all of the improvements we continue to see downtown.

    That all said - east makes sense as that area continues to grow, easy access to US 40, I-70, 641 Bypass and the Terre Haute Regional Airport. All that considered I understand why it would go east.

    Sounds as if this will probably be on the ballot this November and it wouldn't shock me at all to see dirt moving 12 months from today... Local economy should see a nice little bump with convention center, hotel, parking garage and casino all going up in the same 24-36 month period of time. After that - should see some nice job growth! Maybe not the jobs many people would like to see us have - but you've got to start somewhere!

    A couple other interesting things to consider for those following along:

    - The need for a new fire station out east. Currently I think the closest fire station to the east side is probably Terre Haute FD located at 25th and Hulman St. that is a small station and quite distance away from where the casino will end up. I'd imagine they will be making a run or two a day on average to that side of town once that thing opens up for various reasons. In other words - could see some potential jobs and once again a nice construction project if that happens. They will have to do something - I don't think anything is certain yet.

    - Hulman Links Golf Course. Rea and Hulman have been a loss leader on the city books for quite some time. The casino project was approved for around $100 million investment with some of those dollars (I forget the %) being marked for "economic development". I'd love to see the casino either take that course over completely and get it off the city books - that would constitute as a major win for both the city and the course/casino if that were to happen. If they don't take it over completely I'd hope they would come to some sort of an arrangement with the city to help pump some money into while driving casino traffic to the course as well - the two compliment each-other well and would make for a great partnership. I've heard grumblings of this - if nothing else I'd like to be at the forefront of discussing the possibility if they're not having these talks already.

    - At some point all of this might have some effect on city / county annexation. Right now I believe the proposed location for the would be casino would fall outside the city boundary. So all of this growth going on out east and continued growth further south all falls on the county books and not the city books. I believe the city boundary on the south side currently ends at Springhill Dr. It doesn't positively impact me (as I live in the county) but I think the city should probably extend down to Dallas or Harlan on the south side and should extend beyond Chamberlin Rd. to the east - that would be a major shake up and the farmers are not going to like that at all - but I would be in favor of it for the sake of the city.

    EDIT: After looking at map it appears that the casino would fall inside the city limits as the airport is inside the city limits. It doesn't expand south of i-70 though. So maybe just look at annexation of 46/ I-70 to 46/159 down south to Harlan or Dallas.

    Just some fun stuff to think about moving forward.
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    I agree that, personally, I would rather see the casino go downtown on the Riverfront, but I get the business reasons that Gibson wants it out east. It's not hard to see that ease of access to I-70 is going to bring people in. Put it downtown, and it isn't as easy to get to and that might keep people away.

    Your other points are interesting, SSOM. Hadn't thought about those. Casino/golf course is an interesting thought. Almost like having a Resort Casino. That could be an interesting pairing. Good thought!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyTreeFan View Post
    I agree that, personally, I would rather see the casino go downtown on the Riverfront, but I get the business reasons that Gibson wants it out east. It's not hard to see that ease of access to I-70 is going to bring people in. Put it downtown, and it isn't as easy to get to and that might keep people away.

    Your other points are interesting, SSOM. Hadn't thought about those. Casino/golf course is an interesting thought. Almost like having a Resort Casino. That could be an interesting pairing. Good thought!!!
    Yeah - east Terre Haute is certainly easier for people from Bloomington, Greencastle, Plainfield, Indianapolis to access. I'm not so sure that it's not easier for people coming over from IL - not having to go through town at all. I think from that standpoint that it probably makes the most sense.

    The golf course would literally be 5 minutes from the casino - transportation between the two could be done easily. Either I dream't it or someone mentioned it to me... Ha Because it makes too much sense for it not to be considered.
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    It's not much more drive to get to the Rt46 area imo unless I70 is stopped. if you are going to the stadium its almost a push if you take 46 or go through West T

    Im a fan of your golf idea. That is a great course that needs more support/play

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    After today's announcement of Clabber Girl being sold, people need to think twice about criticizing Greg Gibson. He's one of the few people in this town with money, willing to spend it to better the community. If he makes money along the way, more power to him. I appreciate all the Hulman family has done for Terre Haute, but they've dropped this town like a hot rock. It's their money and their business, but I hate to see them sell out.

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