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    I saw several games this year that were won by 1 3-pointer. But, I guess it's crazy of me to think that 30 more 3's by Neese and Barnes would have helped us.

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    '19 IN PF Jacob LaRavia (4/13/2019)

    Quote Originally Posted by sycamorebacker View Post
    I saw several games this year that were won by 1 3-pointer. But, I guess it's crazy of me to think that 30 more 3's by Neese and Barnes would have helped us.
    I didn't say anything about Barnes in my post or your post being "crazy"... But you since you brought Barnes back up I'll humor you.

    What is actually "crazy" is we ended up 4th in the league in 3 point fg @ 36.3% all while taking about 80 less 3 pointers than the next closest team. As most will recall we were one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the nation in the non-conference all while being one of the most selective 3 point shooting teams.

    Unfortunately that didn't last and it doesn't really tell the whole story though - during conference play only we were 9th in the league in 3 point fg @ 21.7%. The biggest reason our 3 point shooting plummeted during conference play? Not all that shocking - JORDAN BARNES shot 21% while taking nearly 2 more attempts per game than anyone else on the team. You also have to wonder which circles back to the original point - how much did the addition of Williams and Neese have to do with our teams (or in this case an individual players) struggles? That is hard to quantify - but something changed.

    So as you suggested if you want to split your 30 or so more attempts up between Barnes and Neese then be my guest. I'd probably give 10 to Neese, 10 to Key and 5 each to Washington and Williams. That might of helped us. Jordan Barnes shooting more 3's last year was certainly not the answer and I don't think it will be the answer moving forward for us to be a winning program.

    Either Greg Lansing needs to make it obvious or Jordan Barnes needs to figure it out - he doesn't have to chuck 5 to 6 3's per game for his teams to win. What he needs to do is quit being selfish, be a leader, not turn the ball over (lead team in conference play with 2.3 TO's per game and 2.6 TO's per game on season). He was an abysmal offensive player for us last season. With Key morphing into perhaps the conferences most prolific player, Neese another year of experience, a capable scorer in Williams and new pieces added - Jordan Barnes needs to reinvent himself as a basketball player. 5'10" guard shooting off balance 3 point shots with a hand in his face while trying to imitate a 6'3" college version of Steph Curry isn't really working or helping.

    Note: If an Admin wants to take this to another thread that would probably be best. None of this has anything to do with JL.
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    Last year's roster had plenty of misfortunes and disappointments.

    1. Nobody expected Barnes to fall into a funk. We couldn't have predicted that. This had to be a mental lapse that hopefully gets resolved this offseason.
    2. I'm sure the staff expected to get more out of Devin Thomas. Even before his injury he was not playing well. I think he was playing out of position his entire career here.
    3. I'm confident that Brinkmeyer would have played a decent sized role last season if he were not injured.
    4. Hughes, Rickman, Williams were all offensively challenged at several different spans in the season.

    If our offseason roster additions can improve upon these low points, we should be better. That along with general improvement of the returning players. Sorry to be Mr. Obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SycamoreStateofMind View Post
    I didn't say anything about Barnes in my post or your post being "crazy"... But you since you brought Barnes back up I'll humor you.

    What is actually "crazy" is we ended up 4th in the league in 3 point fg @ 36.3% all while taking about 80 less 3 pointers than the next closest team. As most will recall we were one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the nation in the non-conference all while being one of the most selective 3 point shooting teams.

    Unfortunately that didn't last and it doesn't really tell the whole story though - during conference play only we were 9th in the league in 3 point fg @ 21.7%. The biggest reason our 3 point shooting plummeted during conference play? Not all that shocking - JORDAN BARNES shot 33% while taking nearly 2 more attempts per game than anyone else on the team. You also have to wonder which circles back to the original point - how much did the addition of Williams and Neese have to do with our teams (or in this case an individual players) struggles? That is hard to quantify - but something changed.

    So as you suggested if you want to split your 30 or so more attempts up between Barnes and Neese then be my guest. I'd probably give 10 to Neese, 10 to Key and 5 each to Washington and Williams. That might of helped us. Jordan Barnes shooting more 3's last year was certainly not the answer and I don't think it will be the answer moving forward for us to be a winning program.

    Either Greg Lansing needs to make it obvious or Jordan Barnes needs to figure it out - he doesn't have to chuck 5 to 6 3's per game for his teams to win. What he needs to do is quit being selfish, be a leader, not turn the ball over (lead team in conference play with 2.3 TO's per game and 2.6 TO's per game on season). He was an abysmal offensive player for us last season. With Key morphing into perhaps the conferences most prolific player, Neese another year of experience, a capable scorer in Williams and new pieces added - Jordan Barnes needs to reinvent himself as a basketball player. 5'10" guard shooting off balance 3 point shots with a hand in his face while trying to imitate a 6'3" college version of Steph Curry isn't really working or helping.

    Note: If an Admin wants to take this to another thread that would probably be best. None of this has anything to do with JL.
    I mean't 30 more MADE 3FG's, but I looked and that is too high. Beginning with the first Loy game, Barnes finished the season 21/96 on 3's. And Neese's first 14 games, he was 10/40. I figure we left about 60 pts on the table, not counting 2FG.
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    I think Jacob is going to be a great addition to the Sycamore basketball program! Looks like he's got a great skill set.

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    After reading articles and watching highlight tapes, he reminds me of both Gant (in college) and Kessinger (in HS). This is Pre-broken leg BK.

    Can pick and pop and shoot from the outside like Gant, and can get to the rim and elevate like BK did in high school before he got bush leagued by some kid. Can he play defense like Gant did? He probably won't be matched up with 5's the way BK has been and probably won't bulk up as much as BK has, so he will probably play defense against more 4's.

    Like most freshman that come into the program, how quickly he can pick up what HCGL wants him to do on defense will determine how much he plays. Offense doesn't seem to be lacking with him. Sure it will be a faster game but I don't think he will struggle in that area. He will have to be able to play D to stay on the court.
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    In the Top 60 workout (with little defense) in scrimmages:
    Cobie: 15 - 4 and 3 assists 3 3FG
    Jared: 17 - 1 - 3 4 3FG
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    Quote Originally Posted by SycamoreStateofMind View Post
    - JORDAN BARNES shot 33% while taking nearly 2 more attempts per game than anyone else on the team. You also have to wonder which circles back to the original point - how much did the addition of Williams and Neese have to do with our teams (or in this case an individual players) struggles? That is hard to quantify - but something changed.
    Remember Barnes lost his shot when he got sick. It was really kind of strange. I guess, like a batting slump, it gets in your head.

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    Signing period starts today...Would think you would get the official signings of him and Agbo and then Coach can publicly comment on them and what they bring to the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southgrad07 View Post
    Signing period starts today...Would think you would get the official signings of him and Agbo and then Coach can publicly comment on them and what they bring to the table.
    Can LaRavia sign another LOI? He signed one at SIU-E, right? Can he only sign one per year?


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